Cynthia ([info]csakuras) wrote in [info]hagaren_manga,
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Regarding October 3rd in manga canon

I know, this is a day late, so shoot me. :( But someone on [info]fm_alchemist brought up a question on why the date of October 3rd is different in the manga and anime. So, being the dork that I am and procrastinating on schoolwork I looked up the timelines for both the manga AND anime!! ...Well actually, I used the manga timeline from here, but I actually did go back and rewatch the anime on my own (mostly- Zrana helped too; YAY MOD POWER!).
So I am posting my findings here, because it's just so interesting how many small differences there are in the two canons. I guess people can use this as a reference when writing fics based on manga canon, because it does get confusing with what age the brothers are at what event taking place when. (Did that make sense...?) On the other hand, if you've never seen the anime, feel free to skip this. :D


Anime Timeline
1899- Edward & Winry are born
1900- Alphonse is born
1902- Hohenheim leaves
1905- Ed & Al's first transmutation (Ed: 6 yrs old, Al: 5 yrs old)
1907- Rockbells killed (Ed: 8, Al: 7)
1909- Trisha dies (Ed: 10, Al: 9)
Apprenticeship with Izumi
1910- February, Failed transmutation (Ed: 11, Al: 10)
February-October, Automail surgery & rehabilitation
October 3rd, Ed & Al burn their house and leave Resembool
1911- State Alchemist exam passed (Ed: 12, Al: 11)
1914- Present Day (Ed: 15, Al: 14)

Manga Timeline
1899- Edward & Winry are born
1900- Alphonse is born
1904- Hohenheim leaves
Ed & Al start doing alchemy (Ed: 5, Al: 4)
Trisha dies
1908- Rockbells are killed
Summer, apprenticeship with Izumi (Ed: 9, Al: 8)
Winter, Ed & Al return to Resembool
1910- Failed transmutation (Ed: 11, Al: 10)
Automail surgery & rehabilitation (takes aprox. 1 year)
1911- October, State Alchemist exam passed (Ed: 12, Al: 11)
October 3rd, Ed & Al burn their house and leave Resembool
1914- Present Day (Ed: 15, Al: 14)


So...things we can get from this. First of all, Hohenheim leaves sooner in the anime. Next, in the manga, Ed and Al start messing with alchemy a whole year before they did in the anime. Impressive. O_o And also...oh god, Trisha dies FIVE YEARS before she does in the anime. That means Ed and Al were orphaned for a much greater amount of time and had to mostly raise themselves, though it seems they had meals with the Rockbells. Also, Ed and Al were intensively studying alchemy on their own for 4 years, all the while going to school (even though they didn't really need to). The brothers had a LONG TIME to think about this human transmutation thing, while in the anime they were at it for only about a year.

The Rockbells are killed a year later in the manga than they are in the anime. I'm not sure if there's that much of a difference in the Ishbal timeline- I won't be checking that at the moment unless someone requests it. (Ed and Winry are the same age, in case anyone wants to know how old Winry was when her parents died.)

On the other hand, Ed and Al start training with Izumi a year earlier in the manga than in the anime. They stay with her for about half a year. And then, with more knowledge and wisdom under their belts, they continue independant study for about TWO years until they finally perfect their theory, all while still attending the school they really don't need. In the anime, they don't study on their own as much, but still end up attempting human transmutation in the same year as the manga.

And then the night of horror and childhood trauma. Poor kids. :( In the anime, Roy ends up visiting the Rockbell house shortly after Al brings Ed in, while in the manga, I'd say at least a week has passed since That Night, since Ed isn't looking so bloody and on the verge of death (though he's very miserable and pathetic-looking indeed).

Roy leaves, Ed decides he wants to become a State Alchemist and get automail. In the manga, Pinako tells him that the surgery and rehabilitation would take about three years. Ed declares, "One year!" So we'll say it takes about one year, because Edward is one determined little kid, during which time he grows out his hair. In the anime, the surgery and rehabilitation takes about 8 months.

So now we come to October 3rd!! No, wait, actually we don't, because some more stuff takes place in the manga BEFORE that day. Ed travels to East City to meet Roy, and then they travel to Central so Ed can take his (rather brief) State Alchemist examination. He didn't need to study for this at all unlike the anime (but then he got all his independant study in the years before, so they're even). (EDIT: Upon rereading the manga, I've noticed that Bradley mentions Ed taking a written and psychiatric examination. So really, the exam in the manga may have resembled what was shown in the anime, except for the final part, which was the demonstration.)

And THEN it's October 3rd! But...in the manga, it's October 3rd 1911, and in the anime it's October 3rd 1910. In the manga, Ed and Al burn their house after the State Alchemist examination, while in the anime they burn their house before setting off, and then there was the side adventures in episode 4 and 5, and then a month or two studying at the Tucker household, and finally the examination. But how does that help explain the difference in the dates?

Maybe it was because Ed's rehabilitation took longer in the manga, but presumably only by about four months. So that's not it, either. Hmmmm. Okay, wait, so maybe the date of the transmutation IS different in the anime and manga after all! In the anime, it was in February, in the manga it was...actually, it looks like in the manga they did it during the FALL. There's a page in Chapter 23 where it shows the passing of the seasons since the Elric brothers returned to Resembool in the winter of 1908- we see winter, spring, summer, and it ends with Ed completing his theory with the WINDOW OPEN. ...Yes, I'm going to assume this was in the fall, because not many people would leave their windows open in the winter.

NOW we're getting somewhere! So if we say Ed and Al performed the transmutation in mid-to-late September of 1910, and it took a year for Ed to get his automail after that, and then spent some days traveling to take his exam, then it would bring them to October of 1911. In the anime, they performed the transmutation in February of 1910, took 8 months to get automail, and then burned the house on October 3rd of the same year. MYSTERY SOLVED!! :D


...God, that IS confusing. X__x

EDIT: Oh yeah, this would also mean that Ed's birthday in the manga is not necessarily the same as in the anime, because he was 12 years old when he became a State Alchemist. His birthday might come before October. And in the anime, after October, Ed turns 12 on a snowy day. So his birthday is probably sometime in the winter in the anime. (I'm not sure about Al's birthday in the manga- whenever I list his age corresponding with Ed's, I'm just assuming, because the manga rarely says it directly like the anime.)

EDIT 2: Arakawa has stated that Ed's birthday is in the winter.


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[info]zrana

October 4 2005, 06:34:33 UTC 6 years ago

w00t~! Time line comparison~!

[info]rainmage

October 4 2005, 11:49:35 UTC 6 years ago

Wow, such a detailed analysis O_O I knew there were some anime/manga differences, but no so many. I didn't notice the change in the year before, actually.

[info]csakuras

October 4 2005, 17:59:08 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah see, this is why it's so hard to find manga canon fics, because people will just see the anime and say "oh, Ed and Al started doing alchemy at this age" and not even realize that there's a difference. :( Actually, I bet there aren't even any fics out there that makes a concious effort to stick to just one canon.

It's interesting though, because just from this I'm getting lots of plotbunnies, like one could write a pre-series drabble on how it was for the brothers to handle the house all by themselves and divide chores, or what their friends thought of them, or what their teacher thought of them, or some early interaction between Ed and Roy on the train to Central, or even something about Ed, Al, and Winry watching a movie (because apparently they have movies in Amestris). There's TONS of potential in the manga canon that, from what I've seen, have never been explored before.

[info]ikuyona

October 4 2005, 19:01:37 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah see, this is why it's so hard to find manga canon fics, because people will just see the anime and say "oh, Ed and Al started doing alchemy at this age" and not even realize that there's a difference. :(

o_@ *cries* You understand!! I thought I was the ONLY ONE!!!!

Thanks for all of this! (I was the one who asked. ^^) *hugs*

[info]siinik

October 4 2005, 20:24:45 UTC 6 years ago

Whoa, Trisha died really late in the anime timeline. Huh.

Yeah see, this is why it's so hard to find manga canon fics, because people will just see the anime and say "oh, Ed and Al started doing alchemy at this age" and not even realize that there's a difference. :( Actually, I bet there aren't even any fics out there that makes a concious effort to stick to just one canon.

Yes! I've never seen the anime, but I love, love, LOVE, the manga, and I keep on running into all these weird details in fic that are like what? and...um, yeah. Not bad, but confusing. *is confused*

[info]ikuyona

October 4 2005, 19:00:49 UTC 6 years ago

Oh, there are SO~O many differences that it's not even funny how many people don't give recognition to them. It pains me, it really does.

[info]csakuras

6 years ago

[info]kao_sama

October 4 2005, 16:22:20 UTC 6 years ago

oh thank you so much ! O_O
I was trying to do a comparison by myself, but I realized I had no timeline for the anime except in my head XP
Thanks for solving the mystery XD

[info]ikuyona

October 4 2005, 18:56:32 UTC 6 years ago

What's your icon from? "Edwardette"? ....Is Ed wearing a bra??

[info]kao_sama

October 4 2005, 20:16:12 UTC 6 years ago

No it's his new prosthesis. It's a picture from the movie, and I thought he looked really girly on it XD(it does look like a bra XD)
Movie Ed is so pretty °*°

[info]miki05

October 4 2005, 20:06:11 UTC 6 years ago

Wow nice! :D Thanks!

[info]miki05

October 4 2005, 20:08:24 UTC 6 years ago

Another question I like to know...Is Winry older than Ed in the manga? Just ask if they actually said anything on their actual b-day, Ed probably younger because he was born in winter (you see Snow everytime its his b-day so I assume is that) So...Winry might be older?

[info]csakuras

October 4 2005, 21:00:07 UTC 6 years ago

We don't know when Ed's birthday is, just that it's before October. It might be in the winter, and it might not. Ed and Winry are the same age. They were born on the same year, and Winry says so in Chapter 9. We don't know anything else.

Though...considering how Ed is "almost 16", I wonder if we'll get to see him celebrate his birthday in the manga sometime?
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[info]csakuras

October 4 2005, 21:01:07 UTC 6 years ago

And the snowing on his birthday thing is from the anime only. :/ Ed and Elicia DON'T have the same birthday in the manga.

[info]kirarakim

October 4 2005, 20:59:01 UTC 6 years ago

First of all I have to say that I am so happy there is a site dedicated to the manga and I am looking forward to some interesting discussions. That being said I am really impressed by this time line you came up with. This clears up a lot of things for me. The one thing is I never realized how young Ed and Al were when their mom died and how much time had passed from that event to when they attempted the human transmutation. It just shows that I really have to reread those chapters again since I missed something so important. Now that I know I was so off on the dates could someone clear this up for me?

In the anime Ed and Al get the idea to bring back their mother right after the funeral when they are the only ones left at the grave. In the manga they also get the idea to bring her back at their mother’s grave but after looking at your timeline I think it might not have been directly after Trisha’s funeral, but instead after a visit to her grave. Ed and Al do look very young at their mother’s funeral (and now this makes sense to me since they are only 5&4) but I don’t think they look quite as young during the scene when they decide to bring her back. Could anyone let me know if I am totally off with this?

[info]csakuras

October 5 2005, 01:16:08 UTC 6 years ago

I think that sounds about right. :D

[info]ceruleanpure

October 5 2005, 04:46:16 UTC 6 years ago

Versus Timeline! Thank you!! <3. And wonderful analysis. ^__^

Ed turns 12 on a snowy day.
The thing (with the anime) that always bothered me on this subject was:
When Ed turned 12 - in Central - it was snowing.
When Ed turned 16 - in Central - it was sunny. (Look at Winry's outfit for ep 23/24 - I doubt she'd wear something that light even in the Fall.)

Plothole? *ponders*

[info]c_b_syndrome

May 9 2006, 03:46:10 UTC 6 years ago

Chiming in a year later....

The timeline debate came up in fm_alchemists and someone linked this entry, and I came across your comment.... Soooo... after taking the scenic route...

When Ed turned 16 - in Central - it was sunny. (Look at Winry's outfit for ep 23/24 - I doubt she'd wear something that light even in the Fall.)

Plothole? *ponders*


I would think it would depend on the latitude of Central. In Tulsa we can spend most of the winter in short sleeves, and then get a bloody blizzard in March (It happened about 7 years ago)

[info]takarifreak

May 9 2006, 06:58:17 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Chiming in a year later....

Whacky weather warps, me think.

Here in new england, years ago, it snowed like crazy on the last day of school before x-mas...like a foot in less than an hour, ant another good 6 inches after that

2 Days later, on x-mas eve, the snow was GONE and it was 65 degrees out. In December.

We've had blizzards on April Fool's day too, and like the 2nd week in March MORE than once. Hell, we've seen flurries for about 10 minutes 3 days before JUNE!


So it's either a plot hole, or Central was just having a mild winter that year (it happens).



Now you don't have to feel alone from posting a year later than everyone else XD

[info]falathrim

October 5 2005, 06:09:48 UTC 6 years ago

I recall reading somewhere that, in the manga, Ed's birthday was in January. Is that based on anything at all, or was my source merely pulling stuff out of their ass?

[info]csakuras

October 5 2005, 06:27:20 UTC 6 years ago

o.o I don't think it ever says anything definitive like that, because [info]umeko_pyon and I have been looking for a while and whining about Arakawa not giving us that sort of character info. Maybe your source was someone's theory (probably based off the anime, because it very well could be in January for anime canon).

[info]falathrim

October 5 2005, 18:57:34 UTC 6 years ago

Ah... I should have figured.

[info]falathrim

6 years ago

[info]hellangelss

October 11 2005, 06:10:09 UTC 6 years ago

wow. good job! o__o

[info]kigahen_hagane

December 22 2006, 06:04:15 UTC 5 years ago

I think I died trying to comprehend all that.
Too much thinking for moi. xP

[info]fox_of_no_grace

January 27 2008, 01:15:22 UTC 4 years ago

Good on you figuring that all out!
I tried to follow along.. I really did XD

[info]bob_fish

April 23 2010, 10:47:28 UTC 2 years ago

You rock. That is all.
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